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Discussion in 'Appeals' started by Ryan R, Jan 11, 2017.

  1. Zchoa

    Zchoa Buccaneer

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    I was thinking the same thing xD
     
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  2. Yulia

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    I have a legitimate question though. Instead of banning these people trying to say these forbidden words. Why not just make the chat greet them with a message saying "Your message was not sent because it contained a forbidden word"


    That way you can achieve your same goal of not having any cussing or forbidden words, not have to appeal bans, and keep people online and ingame.

    There should be no punishment needed for such conduct if the game can make it so they cant take place to begin with which it pretty much is the case now cause it doesn't let you send it. People make mistakes.
     
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  3. Zchoa

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    The code is more like guidelines than an actual set of rules.... i like this idea
     
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  4. Christopher Cannonskull

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    if something is against the rules people should be saying it even if the game prevents it from being said. Admittedly i feel like a bad should happen after once or twice or if the message had malicious intent. but if there were no punishment im sure some "clever" pirates would try and find a way to say the words without worry about it being discovered and action being taken against them
     
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  5. Yulia

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    Its against the rules, and even if people try to say the actual words it refuses to go through. Most people who care enough to actually say the words already do find other variations or ways to say them and get away punishment free so I cant see the point in actually aiming to lose online count or players playing the game over something that cant be directly said currently anyway

    No point in having it as a rule if your game is already designed and programmed to not let the word reach into the chat which it never does. Its not exactly ban worthy since the word never reaches other peoples eyes and the fact that you trade an active player who plays the game over a simple word that doesn't make it through chat is kinda counter productive to gaining population and momentum as a community


    All messages with cuss words already turn into Yarr or either never make it into chat. Adding the additional step of banning is rather excessive, and if you really wanted to discourage the activity could be solved with muting the players chat instead as a softer punishment then losing an actual active player

    I get that its trying to push people away from the habit of trying, but people already don't because the words cant be said and their alternate ways to write them can't even be written (so far)



    Why try and discourage a certain type of behavior with a ban if the behavior cannot be done in the first place? lol


    The whole point of banning someone for it is to ensure the thing you banned them for doesn't happen, but it already wouldn't happen without the ban since the game literally blocks the actual message from being sent.
     
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  6. Calico

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    me too..he said some thing else?
     
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  7. Christopher Cannonskull

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    another 4 letter word that starts with D but ends with M
     
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  8. Yulia

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    Muting someone for an hour after trying to say the word 3 times would prove just as effective as banning without the need to actually having less players online due to it
     
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  9. Crashalot

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    It's unfortunate, but banning or suspending for swearing does seem somewhat harsh, yet I understand completely why it is inappropriate in the game setting. The player in question was on my ship when he got suspended, and of course, the "foul" word was blocked and arr in its place, as usual.
    Perhaps Yulia has the right idea about blocking messages with foul words so that others cannot see them, which is what I thought happened anyway in the game.
    Perhaps banning their ability to chat for a period of time after swearing might also work, as it has a "punishment" aspect to it as well.
    They could even wear some sort of foolish cap during their probation, etc.
    It's tough to say, but the rules are what they are.
    Sorry it happened on my ship.
     
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  10. Ryan R

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    I appreciate everyones input. In this particular case I just personally found it a tad bit petty I guess. There was no harmful intent. A part of the problem for me I guess personally is that I personally have not been 10 years old in over a decade. So to speak with the advisories of a 10 year old takes a little time to adjust. I kind of wish the game had maybe a filter option for players like a lot of other MMORPG games have. Something that allows you to either block or allow chat like this in particular. Or at least change it like forums does. I don't know the whole chat thing get's pretty confusing to me. Some stuff is red, some stuff turns to "arrrgh" and others just get you suspended like me =] I don't expect things to be perfect in a BETA. I get that. This case is just a little frustrating. I've seen some good feedback though.
     
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  11. Falco

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    Wait what? Almost the entire first page of this thread is dedicated to giving a false definition to the word "darn" ?? How is that an offensive insult or a curse word?? Have we really gone so many steps backwards that we've become over-sensitive princesses? Please, I think Ryan's ban should be lifted, this community is full of already matured people, but we find "darn it" as an insult... Even children would laugh at us for even discussing this as an issue. I don't know how it is right now, but for long time I noticed couple of insults in the white list, I was able to use them, but he got banned for saying "darn it" ?? Which is just a normal expression of an anger or annoyance.

    I find Yulia's suggestion to be the best so far on the already very restrictive chat.

    I'm waiting to get hate. :)
     
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  12. Yulia

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    The word wasn't darn it was the word "Damp" if you take away the letter P
     
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  13. Jason Seastealer

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    blow up humans with grenades - perfectly fine
    casino like activities - perfectly fine
    slice enemies ( humans in particular) - perfectly fine
    saying dang - perfectly fine



    saying darn - [​IMG]



    Still using the filter is pretty pathetic in my opinion, not just for the swearing but also for the grammar checks, if you're aiming for a kid friendly chat and game why have such a strong filter for chat? you're forcing young kids and people with dyslexia to type perfectly, which is for them almost impossible to keep doing all the time.

    remove the filter or adjust it heavily so no one is having issues with it.
     
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  14. Falco

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    Really? The photos are VERY blurry and I relied on the rest of his post, since most people will focus mostly on it anyway.
     
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  15. Christopher Cannonskull

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    very cartoonish violence with to blood or gore and the same with poker. Even if you have dyslexia learning the proper spelling of words is important and it also makes filtering blacklisted words out of the chat far easier
     
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  16. Jason Seastealer

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    Sorry but I don't agree with you on this, it's obviously that you havent seen or experienced people with dyslexia much, you don't just simply improve yourself by sweating trying to type perfectly. and poker isnt cartoonish at all besides that its drawn, you can create an addiction as easily on tlopo than any other method.
     
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  17. Christopher Cannonskull

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    you loot enemies to get cheat cards to cheat in poker, that's the cartoonish part. and as for dyslexia people who have it can and do learn to spell properly. Just because you have the disorder doeskin mean you get a pass on spelling. They learn it differently and definitely make more mistakes because of it but that doesn't at all mean that we should change the entire system to pander to a low number of people. I'm not saying its good or easy for them and with that argument you might as well call out the chat system as a whole. dyslexia affects reading much more than it does spelling so you might as well be saying the chat system should be dropped for a voice chat system
     
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  18. Yulia

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    well thats neither here nor there. I believe people should be muted for things that effect the chat and banned for things that effect the game play such as hacking.

    The goal of punishing someone who cusses is to keep chat clean, even though muting isn't required to do this it would put a incentive to not do it anymore.

    The goal of punishing stuff like cheating and hacking is to keep it out of game, and this is what bans should be reserved for.

    I personally would not want to lose a friend I talk to ingame over them cussing, but they shouldn't be encouraged to do it either, hence a mute.




    The way POTCO handled bans and how cussing was handled with Disney was in my eyes the only thing wrong with POTCO and should not be replicated
     
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  19. Jason Seastealer

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    i can argue here all day but thats pointless i stay at what i said.
     
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  20. Anna Wildefoote

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    Disney gave warning without full bans for that word. used it many times, never banned got the message and was a awhile before I made that type mistake again.
    IMO he's got the message please lift the ban.
    It's supposed to make the game friendly. We all get that, he wasn't being malicious, punishment has more than been met.
     
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