they honestly should buff becketts at least because then whats the point of farming it if mercer is that much better? beckett should have higher consistent hits then mercers when it comes to steel shot
Back in the day, it looked like mercers had 4 items in it's list. Feint 3. Is that still there? They're both legendary, so how or why should one be that much better than the other. Both tedious to loot. If becketts was a fame, then I can see a problem. Is one faster than the other? Because that to me would be the decision maker of which one I'd want to deploy. Maybe they should have differences to accomidate different play styles. Pretty sure the game designers have reasons for the numbers. And steel shot costs gold and has to be refilled. What's the outcome if both use free ammo? Perhaps that is also a factor.
Yeah I think this was using old or misinterpreted data. I believe that pretty much right after damage numbers became static everyone saw that they did the same base damage as each other, however, it was @Ned_Reddavis who figured this out before damage numbers were changed and before anyone else using his brain and equations tbh. Think he got Beggar to knock down Beckett's in the Legendary Tier list thread (the thread you are referring to https://piratesforums.co/threads/legendary-weapon-tier-list.27236/post-373519)
well that's the thing, even with enemies that take damage with steel shot mercers is still better then becketts. They do the exact same damage consistently but the mercer can crit making it alot better... I currently took a break from cicatriz to farm mercers now because I feel like becketts is just not as strong. I rather do the same damage as beckett but have the chance to deal some nice crits along the way.
With Steel Shot and no critical hit on Mercer’s and anything less than fully changed take aim Beckett’s should out perform Mercer’s, the closer to fully charged take aim is the closer the 2 guns should be. This is a very minor advantage of Beckett’s which is quite specific and not likely to influence anyone into preferring Beckett’s. I just want to point out that there is a scenario where Beckett’s is better, it’s not something that would be easy to utilize and requires a very specific circumstance. I think there are lots of legendaries that are far from uniquely capable already in the game, all four legendary sabres for example, so I see no president for that but I do agree that it’s desirable. Tbh I think all legendaries should have a unique weapon skill which wasn’t even the case in potco, I don’t think the developers should change the existing weapons at all but wish that they would adopt such a policy for all new legendaries to be released.
I could be wrong about Beckett’s having a speed advantage, I’ve always assumed and not tested that the take aim boost was averaged in over the charge time and not immediately applied, charges from 0 to 8 vs charges from 3 to 8. Has anyone tested this? If it charges from +3 to +8 on Mercer’s then it is true that Mercer’s is superior or equal in all instances, if it charges from 0 to +8 then Beckett’s has a speed advantage when using Steel Shot.
A full charged take aim boost obviously does more damage than a non fully charged one, but one that is charged up for less than a second is still affected by mercer's take aim boost meaning that in any instance where you aim your pistol at all, mercers will deal more damage than becketts. With take aim just naturally dealing more damage than shoot, even if you charge it up for less than a second, a player should only be using that skill if they have a single shot pistol. This is ultimately the reason Mercer's comes out on top.
This might be off topic but I've seen you throw around this belief on other threads and I don't get this mentality at all. The game is in beta and it's clear the developers have a pretty difficult time with balancing weapons that they add to the game. If the devs have a chance to improve the balance of the game after the fact I think they should take it. It just seems silly to oppose any change made to the game on principle, even if the change benefits people more than it harms them. In any case, buckle up because with the nade nerf and the staff buff coming, (among other, bigger things) this game is gonna take a massive turn from a project set out to faithfully recreate POTCO when it closed.
I think it's an unwise decision for the developers to attempt to bury their mistakes with the constant flow of new legendary weapons rather than remedying the current balance issues here and now by altering the weapons they've created from scratch and put in the game themselves.
Introducing an update the created 2 identical legendary pistols was just a dumb idea anyway imo. Should have been at least a different gun type if not a different weapon such as a staff, dagger or nade. That's besides the point though.
I don't think it's unfair for the owners at all to have Beckett's be altered in some way to make it more comparable to Mercer's whether that be raising it's attack or introducing a more useful stat set. In fact, this thread was created by an owner of Beckett's for that exact reason.
I was under the impression that the take aim boost isn't given until full charge, much like all the sword buffs. Or the staffs and burn skull attack. None of those seem to give additional or any damage boost unless fully charged. Unless guns are vastly different.
I’m uncertain, Rodger/Daniel thinks otherwise. I reckon that it would be kinda hard to test unless you have both weapons. Is there another pair of weapons with the same attack and one with a take aim boost and the other without? I can’t think of any. I also can’t think of any other way to test it that is 100% conclusive. You?
Well, I don't do alts, but wouldn't that be one way, or stand side by side with someone on same enemy with same weapon. Or just use the same weapon on a enemy using each strike after each other. I would submit logic that if you use a shot without take aim and stay still with a target that doesn't move like a witchdoctor. You should see a repeat damage count. Then do full take aim, note the damage count if repeats. Then try take aim for a second and see if there's a diff. There should be a noticeable count between the three parameters or test shots. I think.
Take aim provides a flat and simple damage buff for whenever you decide to hold down your mouse button to aim your gun, regardless of how long you actually hold down the button. Down below you can see that with each quick charge up attack it says i'm using the Take Aim skill, this is a simple way of knowing that your attacks are being affected by the amount of points you have in Take Aim, similar to how long volley works. It is not dependent on how long you hold down the button. For example, the skill itself doesn't add a take aim point for each second you hold down the gun.