Weapons Jack Sparrow's Blade Discussion

[squintz]

"Game needs stronger weapons" as enemies are ruthlessly slaughtered in the game's current state. Honestly, the difference between what Charles is saying and what you all are wanting is Game Balance. This weapon has none of it. The combination of absolutely ridiculous perks shouldn't be obtainable -- let alone on something that is both obtainable before Raven's Cove AND beats out near every weapon released prior to it.

In the games current state? You mean 47 people surrounding any boss at shallows 100% of the time with level 8's and a ton of alts helping out.
What difference does a weapon even matter with that clustering going on. Not only that, it is now correct conduct to go take any boss away from another group at any time for your own group at another boss. So yea, having a legendary with a mob of fifty makes an ENORMOUS difference.

 

[Dreadful]

Why would anyone want to do the quest if you can just get a sword that blows it out of the water before the quest is even unlocked? That is the equivalent of discarding the bulk of this game’s content.

Why? You have to be kidding. Don’t you have World Eater? Or you at least have Yore. Either of those could be considered the “best in the game”, or at least could have before this update. Does it make you not want to loot? Or maybe you think Leviathan is the best. Would having that make you not want to? No. I’m sure almost no one has gotten the “best blade in the game” and decided “Yeah, seems like a good place to stop.” Basically anyone who spends significant time looting has the goal of getting EVERY famed and legendary sword. Why else would anyone loot at Jimmy Legs or Crash? They drop subpar weapons. Your argument that it “discards” cursed weapons makes no sense. I’m sure Thomas will still wind up in FS looting Koko like the rest of us.

As for the “OP” argument, come on. This is a cutlass. You could make a solid argument that if it’s not a broadsword, then it’s not the best. Drain health is nice, and the crit strike is wild, sure. But Powerful is literally pointless (if I had one beef with this sword, it’s that it has Powerful thrown on it instead of just raising the damage and saving the card space). And it having 100+ damage is somewhat significant, but not unheard of at all. Lastly, the Cleave boost is nice a bonus, but Cleave is nothing to Flourish and Thrust.

Finally, you’re acting like everyone will have this. “Why loot LC if you already have this?” etc. Maybe because when you loot for LC you have a chance of LC + a chance of FC? This is DH’s only relevant drop. I’ll still spend a lot of time at Shallows even after this update.

Let’s be sensible here.

 

[soybeansoy3]

Before you keep reading this post allow me to provide a disclaimer:
- This post is not aimed to say how the game is "broken".
- This post is not directed at the developers. [Nor is it a petition that I am pushing.]
- The objective of this post is to provide constructive criticism and open discussion to updates.

- Please avoid getting upset over others viewpoint & reply with respect.
Thank you!​

​

Now on to the topic at hand, this controversial weapon. Which is very similar topic as my Heart of Padres Del Fuego discussion. [See older post]​

Jack Sparrow's Blade Pros & Cons

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The Reasons I find this Blade Awesome:
- It's awesome because it encourages people to loot old bosses. [Darkhart]
- It's awesome because it encourages low level raiding groups. [Below level 30's]
- It's awesome because it encourages the mid-game. [Not just BLASTING to 50.]
- It's awesome because it encourages PvP players not to skip Cleave.

The Reasons I find this Blade Terrible:
- It does not require Raven's Cove Quest to obtain.
- It is more powerful than ALL blades in the game. [Expect Leviathan]
- It is the only weapon with a rank 5 Critical Strike. [Wow...]
- It is the only weapon with Powerful, making it the only cutlass with an attack over 100.
[After the Powerful buff is applied it easily reaches over 100 attack.]
- It is the only other blade that has Drain Health. [Apart from WEB & Tyrant Blade]
- It is obtainable at a very low level boss. [Darkhart]

My personal thoughts:
It shouldn't be more powerful than Legendary CURSED weapons. I think the blade should be nerfed...
- Lower attack to 70.
- Lower Critical Strike down to Rank 3.
- Lower Powerful to rank 3.
- Remove Drain Health.

i dont even think 'attack' does anything in this game.
i could use a crude cutlass and still kill someone with a legendary curse in pvp.
i believe none of these stats matter, other than critical hits, they need to fix that.

 

[Mercenary]

i think it should be left as it is, just because legendary cursed require a quest doesnt mean any of these are easily obtainable. Thunderspine in my opinion is the strongest legendary cursed for overall damage it puts out with critical strikes and thrust boosts therefore why does it matter with this weapons op skills it makes you want to find it even more you'd have to be a sore loser to wanna deappreciate the skills just because you spent a long amount of time looting for the other legends and now a better one comes along

 

[Dreadful]

i dont even think 'attack' does anything in this game.
i could use a crude cutlass and still kill someone with a legendary curse in pvp.
i believe none of these stats matter, other than critical hits, they need to fix that.

Exactly. People seem to go insane over 10 or do difference in damage, but any high level with leveled skills can do pretty similar damage with a Rusty Cutlass compared to, say, Patron’s. “Damage” always seems to make a pretty trivial difference.

 

[Charles Warmonk]

i dont even think 'attack' does anything in this game.
i could use a crude cutlass and still kill someone with a legendary curse in pvp.
i believe none of these stats matter, other than critical hits, they need to fix that.

Exactly. People seem to go insane over 10 or do difference in damage, but any high level with leveled skills can do pretty similar damage with a Rusty Cutlass compared to, say, Patron’s. “Damage” always seems to make a pretty trivial difference.

Apparently, you don't know how damage works... Please read up!
https://piratesonline.wikia.com/wiki/JFR's_Guide_to_Calculating_Damage_Points

 

[Captain Midori]

You guys act like getting to lvl30 and doing the ravens cove quest is some impossibly hard thing to do. Nothing a day or 2 won't do. It honestly doesn't matter if it's not cursed. I don't see why it even matters if it may be broken or not. Only thing I see it breaking is pvp but even then you can just agree not to use it. Why do you care what weapon somebody uses to kill an enemy with. Sure it's good and makes other swords look bad but that's like saying the leviathan makes the emerald curse look bad. You all will still loot for it because its something uncommon and not what most pirates have. Looting is all about collecting and not really about the practical use of the item. There is really no end game content that requires the best stats to beat it so its all for fun. What in the world is it breaking?

 

[Beggar]

Why? You have to be kidding. Don’t you have World Eater? Or you at least have Yore. Either of those could be considered the “best in the game”, or at least could have before this update. Does it make you not want to loot? Or maybe you think Leviathan is the best. Would having that make you not want to? No. I’m sure almost no one has gotten the “best blade in the game” and decided “Yeah, seems like a good place to stop.” Basically anyone who spends significant time looting has the goal of getting EVERY famed and legendary sword. Why else would anyone loot at Jimmy Legs or Crash? They drop subpar weapons. Your argument that it “discards” cursed weapons makes no sense. I’m sure Thomas will still wind up in FS looting Koko like the rest of us.

As for the “OP” argument, come on. This is a cutlass. You could make a solid argument that if it’s not a broadsword, then it’s not the best. Drain health is nice, and the crit strike is wild, sure. But Powerful is literally pointless (if I had one beef with this sword, it’s that it has Powerful thrown on it instead of just raising the damage and saving the card space). And it having 100+ damage is somewhat significant, but not unheard of at all. Lastly, the Cleave boost is nice a bonus, but Cleave is nothing to Flourish and Thrust.

Finally, you’re acting like everyone will have this. “Why loot LC if you already have this?” etc. Maybe because when you loot for LC you have a chance of LC + a chance of FC? This is DH’s only relevant drop. I’ll still spend a lot of time at Shallows even after this update.

Let’s be sensible here.

Neither Yore, Leviathan, or World Eater Blade is competitive with Jack Sparrow's Blade. Even a cursory understanding of what its stats entail would make this obvious to you. Its attack with the damage multiplier from 'powerful' factored in amounts to slightly over 100, and this is on top of the two best passive skills in the game. Rank 3 health drain is the ability that made World Eater Blade the game's strongest weapon until now, and critical strike rank 5 probably brings the rate of critical hits near 50%. Even if it doesn't turn out to be that high, the inclusion of the skill makes the sword essentially a direct buff to Thunderspine Sword - even considering the 30% buff to one of five combo attacks. This is mathematically the most powerful sword in the game.

I am not saying that a player who has completed Raven's Cove would abandon Tormenta upon the inclusion of a non-cursed sword as powerful as Sparrow's Blade. I'm saying that a new player who happens across Sparrow's Blade would have no incentive to undertake the laborious task of completing the Raven's Cove quest when they already have a sword that makes all RC's rewards look like a joke. Why do you think nobody bothers to unlock Pirate Blade? It simply doesn't make any economic sense to expend the effort to get it when one can find something much more impressive for far less effort. A player would never go to twins after getting Sparrow's Blade for the same reason I never go to Crash when I already have Sapphire Curse.

And yes, this sword has massive potential to be obnoxiously common in the game. Finding it presents massive reward - more than any other boss - for a paltry amount of effort. Darkhart has less HP than Crash does for Christ's sake. Would a single person actually choose Onyx over this, even if both were equally difficult to obtain? It will not take long for this sword to become this games Heart of Padres.

The cognitive dissonance that's required to try and justify this sword's inclusion is pretty mind-blowing, honestly. Like I said in another comment, this is the equivalent of making it possible for Link to get the Master Sword before he even reaches the first dungeon.

 

[Beggar]

You guys act like getting to lvl30 and doing the ravens cove quest is some impossibly hard thing to do. Nothing a day or 2 won't do. It honestly doesn't matter if it's not cursed. I don't see why it even matters if it may be broken or not. Only thing I see it breaking is pvp but even then you can just agree not to use it. Why do you care what weapon somebody uses to kill an enemy with. Sure it's good and makes other swords look bad but that's like saying the leviathan makes the emerald curse look bad. You all will still loot for it because its something uncommon and not what most pirates have. Looting is all about collecting and not really about the practical use of the item. There is really no end game content that requires the best stats to beat it so its all for fun. What in the world is it breaking?

It's breaking this game's progression system. The end game reward is available to the player at the beginning of the game. There is no sense in that.

 

[Mercenary]

It's breaking this game's progression system. The end game reward is available to the player at the beginning of the game. There is no sense in that.

at the end of the day it is just a game therefore it really don't matter and there shouldn't be this much discrepancy towards it

 

[Beggar]

at the end of the day it is just a game therefore it really don't matter and there shouldn't be this much discrepancy towards it

You wouldn't prefer a good game to a bad one?

 

[Mercenary]

You wouldn't prefer a good game to a bad one?

that's a matter of perspective and does not affect my gameplay truth be told you can spend months looking for any which weapon and come up short or you can play for 5 minutes and find it whatever happens happens. its not the end of the world in my eyes

 

[Beggar]

that's a matter of perspective and does not affect my gameplay truth be told you can spend months looking for any which weapon and come up short or you can play for 5 minutes and find it whatever happens happens. its not the end of the world in my eyes

This argument is the equivalent of throwing your hands into the air and just saying "to hell with it, it's just a game." Yes, it's a game that I would like to see succeed and remain enticing for both old and new players. This sword's existence is discouraging for both groups.

 

[Mercenary]

This argument is the equivalent of throwing your hands into the air and just saying "to hell with it, it's just a game." Yes, it's a game that I would like to see succeed and remain enticing for both old and new players. This sword's existence is discouraging for both groups.

as an original player im glad to see things like this in the game i dont see how you think its negative. there will be many more things added along the way im sure so stop getting so uptight over one measly weapon my lord

 

[Dreadful]

Neither Yore, Leviathan, or World Eater Blade is competitive with Jack Sparrow's Blade. Even a cursory understanding of what its stats entail would make this obvious to you. Its attack with the damage multiplier from 'powerful' factored in amounts to slightly over 100, and this is on top of the two best passive skills in the game. Rank 3 health drain is the ability that made World Eater Blade the game's strongest weapon until now, and critical strike rank 5 probably brings the rate of critical hits near 50%. Even if it doesn't turn out to be that high, the inclusion of the skill makes the sword essentially a direct buff to Thunderspine Sword - even considering the 30% buff to one of five combo attacks. This is mathematically the most powerful sword in the game.

I am not saying that a player who has completed Raven's Cove would abandon Tormenta upon the inclusion of a non-cursed sword as powerful as Sparrow's Blade. I'm saying that a new player who happens across Sparrow's Blade would have no incentive to undertake the laborious task of completing the Raven's Cove quest when they already have a sword that makes all RC's rewards look like a joke. Why do you think nobody bothers to unlock Pirate Blade? It simply doesn't make any economic sense to expend the effort to get it when one can find something much more impressive for far less effort. A player would never go to twins after getting Sparrow's Blade for the same reason I never go to Crash when I already have Sapphire Curse.

And yes, this sword has massive potential to be obnoxiously common in the game. Finding it presents massive reward - more than any other boss - for a paltry amount of effort. Darkhart has less HP than Crash does for Christ's sake. Would a single person actually choose Onyx over this, even if both were equally difficult to obtain? It will not take long for this sword to become this games Heart of Padres.

The cognitive dissonance that's required to try and justify this sword's inclusion is pretty mind-blowing, honestly. Like I said in another comment, this is the equivalent of making it possible for Link to get the Master Sword before he even reaches the first dungeon.

Really? Yore isn’t even slightly competitive? Rank 9 Flourish, rank 7 Thrust, rank 8 Blade Storm. And only, what, 6 less damage? Sure, crit strike is huge. But while Drain Health is great, after a certain point it becomes pretty much unnecessary in most situations. Any level 50 can solo anyone in the game short of Foulberto, and this blade won’t really help you take down Foul alone. And again, this blade hits 1 target max. There are a lot of situations in which Leviathan, or many other cursed broadswords, dwarf it in usefulness. Maybe it is the best. But the insinuation that it’s far and away the best, or is all you would ever want or need, makes no sense to me.

Why does no one bother to unlock Pirate Blade? Maybe because it’s not impressive to own in the least. People loot for Famed Cursed because owning 24/24 is impressive. People loot for LC because having LCs is impressive. Pirate Blade is given to you. Anyone at all can go and get it whenever they want. It’s also because it’s not powerful, but again, that has never stopped anyone from wanting any of the LC Sabres. Legendaries are cool, Pirate Blade is not. It’s simple.

And really, you think the developers who wrote this sword in are suffering from “cognitive dissonance”? Come on. That’s a little disrespectful.

 

[Dreadful]

Apparently, you don't know how damage works... Please read up!
https://piratesonline.wikia.com/wiki/JFR's_Guide_to_Calculating_Damage_Points

No, I had no idea. That article is helpful, thanks. Regardless, Levy’s “% of increase” is still significantly higher, and it can hit more than a single target, has an amazing main ability, and huge increases on multiple passages. Yore’s is, like, 6% lower and has all its various boosts on major skills. I just don’t see how it’s so far and away from these blades.

 

[DarkRose]

This argument is the equivalent of throwing your hands into the air and just saying "to hell with it, it's just a game." Yes, it's a game that I would like to see succeed and remain enticing for both old and new players. This sword's existence is discouraging for both groups.

I have to say, thank you Beggar for putting this in perspective. Out of both sides, you are the ONLY one so far, that I personaly truly stop and read the arguement. I voted undecided.
I really hate nerfs, I believe the devs, for the most part know what they are doing. Though the idea of a low lvl getting this sword under lvl 30, is broken. Thought it seems no one has gotten any legendaries, including el patron below lvl 30, so possible it stays that way? Idk. I do know however, if this post was orginally made by you, it would have a lot more supporters because of how you type, express, and the fact you are known as a "hardcore looter", but you dont go around pushing your opinions, brag etc, which is why it seems most will stop and read what you have to say.

That being said, until the new island is out and we see the path the game is heading, maybe then it might be okie for rank 5, just not now. Curious, what do you, Beggar or Bort think of rank 4 ski

 

[Bort Greasegorb]

Honestly, just removing the powerful rank 4 entirely would balance this thing out just fine. It's nice having a few more drain health swords around although I have no idea why Jack Sparrow would possess that ability.

 

[sambadwalker]

Before you keep reading this post allow me to provide a disclaimer:
- This post is not aimed to say how the game is "broken".
- This post is not directed at the developers. [Nor is it a petition that I am pushing.]
- The objective of this post is to provide constructive criticism and open discussion to updates.

- Please avoid getting upset over others viewpoint & reply with respect.
Thank you!​

​

Now on to the topic at hand, this controversial weapon. Which is very similar topic as my Heart of Padres Del Fuego discussion. [See older post]​

Jack Sparrow's Blade Pros & Cons

​

The Reasons I find this Blade Awesome:
- It's awesome because it encourages people to loot old bosses. [Darkhart]
- It's awesome because it encourages low level raiding groups. [Below level 30's]
- It's awesome because it encourages the mid-game. [Not just BLASTING to 50.]
- It's awesome because it encourages PvP players not to skip Cleave.

The Reasons I find this Blade Terrible:
- It does not require Raven's Cove Quest to obtain.
- It is more powerful than ALL blades in the game. [Expect Leviathan]
- It is the only weapon with a rank 5 Critical Strike. [Wow...]
- It is the only weapon with Powerful, making it the only cutlass with an attack over 100.
[After the Powerful buff is applied it easily reaches over 100 attack.]
- It is the only other blade that has Drain Health. [Apart from WEB & Tyrant Blade]
- It is obtainable at a very low level boss. [Darkhart]

My personal thoughts:
It shouldn't be more powerful than Legendary CURSED weapons. I think the blade should be nerfed...
- Lower attack to 70.
- Lower Critical Strike down to Rank 3.
- Lower Powerful to rank 3.
- Remove Drain Health.

Honestly, just removing the powerful rank 4 entirely would balance this thing out just fine. It's nice having a few more drain health swords around although I have no idea why Jack Sparrow would possess that ability.

Because hes jack sparrow mate and jack sparrow gets everything he wants in the movies so why not make it that way in a video game - Frostbyte

 

[Nate Dreadshot]

Jack Sparrow's Blade Pros & Cons

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My personal thoughts:
It shouldn't be more powerful than Legendary CURSED weapons. I think the blade should be nerfed...
- Lower attack to 70.
- Lower Critical Strike down to Rank 3.
- Lower Powerful to rank 3.
- Remove Drain Health.

I definitely agree with you that its overpowered. However, I would not nerf it the same as you did. Cleave Boost is fine, and you didn't suggest a change with that either. I like the Drain Health how it is. The damage definitely needs to be lowered. I'd say put damage at 80, completely remove Powerful, and leave everything else the same. That way I feel like the Critical Strike 5 is more warranted, plus I just like how the "Jack Sparrow's Blade" has a best of something, especially Critical Strike, as the character has the potential to take down the very best, but not always does, its unexpected.