Suggestion Make Grenades Go Through Other Players

[seawench]

I don't understand why grenades don't go through other players, but other weapons do. If someone is standing in front of me I can still use my sword, gun, dagger, and staff. Voodoo doll obviously has to acknowledge other players for attuning purposes, but grenade doesn't need to?

 

[Sal]

I honestly agree with this. Would be a nice feature.

 

[Maus]

I believe Grenades have a actual hit box and this hitbox is used in PvP, I may be wrong though.

 

[Eric Sailcutter]

I’m absolutely and very opposed to this, grenades are very op and making them pass through other players would allow them to be used in mass boss looting situations thus ruining the experience for everyone else. Grenades are fine the way they are, perfect for solo looting. You wouldn’t throw a grenade into a group of your friends would you?

 

[seawench]

I’m absolutely and very opposed to this, grenades are very op and making them pass through other players would allow them to be used in mass boss looting situations thus ruining the experience for everyone else. Grenades are fine the way they are, perfect for solo looting. You wouldn’t throw a grenade into a group of your friends would you?

The idea that a weapon shouldn't be able to be used on or through other players because of how fast a collective group of players can defeat a boss using that weapon, shouldn't be a deciding factor when you take into account the fact that guns (especially really OP guns like Mercer's) do far more damage at a faster rate than grenades (siege) do and they pass through other players.

The trouble with your last sentiment is that it fails to recognize that people already slice, shoot, and throw daggers through large groups of their friends and other people at bosses already. Not to mention the staff and the giant flames and other voodoo stuffs that shoot through everyone in its path, too. But I guess we just ignore this because in this game - that we seem to forget is completely fantasy - that stuff is totally normal to us.

 

[Crashalot]

The way I see it, all other weapons pass through pirates and hit NPC. Why nades don't is probably lost to time, but they never did, even in POTCO.
I have no problem with them passing through pirates.

 

[Eric Sailcutter]

The idea that a weapon shouldn't be able to be used on or through other players because of how fast a collective group of players can defeat a boss using that weapon, shouldn't be a deciding factor when you take into account the fact that guns (especially really OP guns like Mercer's) do far more damage at a faster rate than grenades (siege) do and they pass through other players.

The trouble with your last sentiment is that it fails to recognize that people already slice, shoot, and throw daggers through large groups of their friends and other people at bosses already. Not to mention the staff and the giant flames and other voodoo stuffs that shoot through everyone in its path, too. But I guess we just ignore this because in this game - that we seem to forget is completely fantasy - that stuff is totally normal to us.

I disagree with you and I think the main disagreement is on how much damage siege does, no swords are close at all and I can't speak to Mercer's but the Grand Blunder is also not close. Anytime someone comes along and starts throwing nades I end up not getting loot and have to leave, it ruins my game and I believe most others will have similar experience.

 

[seawench]

I disagree with you and I think the main disagreement is on how much damage siege does, no swords are close at all and I can't speak to Mercer's but the Grand Blunder is also not close. Anytime someone comes along and starts throwing nades I end up not getting loot and have to leave, it ruins my game and I believe most others will have similar experience.

I never said swords come close in damage to siege.

So I mean, you can disagree with me all you want but Grand Blunderbuss can do approximately twice as much damage as siege if you're using it correctly with proper skill point placement and with the right ammo for the right enemy. And if you disagree with that, you can test it out for yourself.

To be fair, though, a blunderbuss obviously wouldn't have the carefree range that siege has. But that doesn't mean someone with a blunderbuss couldn't still take out at least some of your enemies before you have a chance to hit them, if they're spawned in a linear fashion and you're slower than they are. This will still put you in a comparable situation whereas you have to find another location to loot lol

People coming into an area that you're looting at, disregarding your presence and what you were doing before they got there, and just generally being rude a/f is an issue that will exist regardless and is pretty much out of your control tbh

 

[Eric Sailcutter]

Here’s what I really think: Grenades should stay the way they are. If you want to use grenades in a mass looting situation then ask people to make room for you to do so and if they don’t like the idea don’t use grenades. If you want to use grenades in a mass looting situation where the people there don’t want you to or don’t want to accommodate you you are a troll. The game is for all the players and not just for those who want to use grenades exclusively. Grenades as they are are great in certain situations but not all and that is the way it should be. The purpose of having different weapons is so that you can choose the best one you have for the situation but making grenades the best for every situation defeats that purpose. You can argue about any and all of these points and say whatever you like about other weapons but no matter what you say I will still see grenades that move through other players as troll enabling and I will be forever against them.

 

[ArabellaDrummond]

Here’s what I really think: Grenades should stay the way they are. If you want to use grenades in a mass looting situation then ask people to make room for you to do so and if they don’t like the idea don’t use grenades.

You can argue about any and all of these points and say whatever you like about other weapons but no matter what you say I will still see grenades that move through other players as troll enabling and I will be forever against them.

And you are welcome to your opinion. But labeling someone a troll for the weapon(s) they use is the easiest way of destroying ones credibility. It makes it hard to even take someone seriously when they resort to attacks against others.

If you want to use grenades in a mass looting situation where the people there don’t want you to or don’t want to accommodate you you are a troll.

This is unnecessary and not entirely true. Yes there are some people who will do things to troll others. This is how it's in always been in many communities.

There are also those who are not trolls. Who choose the weapon they believe is the best one for the situation or the weapon that fits their preference. If they want to use grenades, i see no reason why they should be treated any different than someone who uses weapons such as a Blunderbuss or a Staff.

The game is for all the players and not just for those who want to use grenades exclusively. Grenades as they are are great in certain situations but not all and that is the way it should be. The purpose of having different weapons is so that you can choose the best one you have for the situation but making grenades the best for every situation defeats that purpose.

I can't help pointing out the irony in this statement. If the game were for all players and not just those who uses grenades, why specifically label those who use grenades as trolls whether or not others asked them to use a different weapon?

If i ask someone to not use a certain weapon such as a staff like i did recently (Wither is really hard on the eyes) and they refuse i will simply leave the area and find something else to do.

I'm not going to label someone a troll merely because they prefer a certain type of weapon.

 

[Arr]

This simply makes sense and don't know why disney didn't do this in the first place.

 

[Eric Sailcutter]

And you are welcome to your opinion. But labeling someone a troll for the weapon(s) they use is the easiest way of destroying ones credibility. It makes it hard to even take someone seriously when they resort to attacks against others.



This is unnecessary and not entirely true. Yes there are some people who will do things to troll others. This is how it's in always been in many communities.

There are also those who are not trolls. Who choose the weapon they believe is the best one for the situation or the weapon that fits their preference. If they want to use grenades, i see no reason why they should be treated any different than someone who uses weapons such as a Blunderbuss or a Staff.



I can't help pointing out the irony in this statement. If the game were for all players and not just those who uses grenades, why specifically label those who use grenades as trolls whether or not others asked them to use a different weapon?

If i ask someone to not use a certain weapon such as a staff like i did recently (Wither is really hard on the eyes) and they refuse i will simply leave the area and find something else to do.

I'm not going to label someone a troll merely because they prefer a certain type of weapon.

1. Using grenades is not the issue here at all and I did not intend to attack others when I said you are a troll when you are asking for changes to the original game mechanics in order to use a weapon that is already very powerful and very serviceable in most situations. I see the only purpose of having grenades pass through there players as an attempt to use them in mass looting situations where they could easily be used for trolling which is currently not the case. Grenades are currently commonly used by trolls as their primary weapon in the gold room and making this change would open that up to boss looting spots.
2. I think that it is entirely true that if you come upon a bunch of people looting a boss and you ask them to accommodate you in using grenades and they refuse and so you then get the game mechanics changed so that you can do as you wish against the wishes, against the wishes of those you share the game with. It is certainly easy enough for a bunch of friends to accommodate someone who wishes to use grenades in most if not all situations already.
3. Grenades are not the best weapon for the looting situations and it is the goal of changing grenade mechanics so that they pass through other players to change grenades into the best weapon.
4. I have never tried to label players who use grenades as trolls simply because they use grenades, it's the coming into a place and wreaking havoc with them to the distraction of others that is what I call trolling and this change would make that much easier and for what?
5. It is true that I saw others, not myself, label others trolls for using wither in the watches hovel yesterday, you are right that it is hard on the eyes. I also note that the players that were using wither there did not cease when asked and they were in my opinion borderline trolling as I saw them egg on the complaints. I really don't want to add more of these type of possibilities to a trolls arsenal. I see no reason for it. I agree that there is a nice convenience to this but I see the negatives as far outweighing the positive.
6. I am also never going to label anyone a troll "merely because they prefer a certain type of weapon".

 

[Imacow]

I think something that's important to realize is that a lot of the players that use Siege Charge to loot are usually the first players to arrive at the area that they wish to loot at. For times that I wish to use Siege Charges to loot in the Treasure Room of the Cursed Caverns, I will change servers until I come across a location without anyone else already present. The issue and reason that I support grenades going through other players during PvE is that some players choose to join a looting area and stand in front of the grenade user who was already there, and disrupt the player(s) present.

In addition to looters running into these problems, the usefulness of grenades cannot be forgotten during invasions. Jolly Roger can be tough to fight against, especially at close range, leaving ranged weapons as the ideal choice. Grenades allow smaller groups of players to have a better chance, and letting grenades go through others during invasions can help enable more successful runs of invasions.

 

[Eric Sailcutter]

I think something that's important to realize is that a lot of the players that use Siege Charge to loot are usually the first players to arrive at the area that they wish to loot at. For times that I wish to use Siege Charges to loot in the Treasure Room of the Cursed Caverns, I will change servers until I come across a location without anyone else already present. The issue and reason that I support grenades going through other players during PvE is that some players choose to join a looting area and stand in front of the grenade user who was already there, and disrupt the player(s) present.

In addition to looters running into these problems, the usefulness of grenades cannot be forgotten during invasions. Jolly Roger can be tough to fight against, especially at close range, leaving ranged weapons as the ideal choice. Grenades allow smaller groups of players to have a better chance, and letting grenades go through others during invasions can help enable more successful runs of invasions.

It is very true that most people prefer to loot the gold room solo using siege, I do. That said I also will usually suggest that we change to sword if someone comes along and wants to join me and is polite about it. Multiple players using grenades in the gold room is intolerable to me as I will miss out on lots of loot and can do better elsewhere, trolls are very aware of how that works. If anyone comes along and starts dropping nades in the gold room were I’m doing that very thing I will be moving on. There is no reason that I can think of that grenades passing through other players in the gold room is an advantage to anyone but trolls.

 

[Arr]

It is very true that most people prefer to loot the gold room solo using siege, I do. That said I also will usually suggest that we change to sword if someone comes along and wants to join me and is polite about it. Multiple players using grenades in the gold room is intolerable to me as I will miss out on lots of loot and can do better elsewhere, trolls are very aware of how that works. If anyone comes along and starts dropping nades in the gold room were I’m doing that very thing I will be moving on. There is no reason that I can think of that grenades passing through other players in the gold room is an advantage to anyone but trolls.

But players shouldn't have to switch to a sword just because there's someone else in the gold room who may or may not stand in front of you. All weapons except dolls and grenades can go through players and it's obviously why dolls can't pass through players but not allowing grenades to pass through players makes no sense in the first place, it's almost as if the disney developers just hated grenades and wanted players to struggle leveling them.

 

[Eric Sailcutter]

I agree with you that you shouldn’t have to change weapons just because someone else happens to come along and wants that but if they are polite about it I generally will. This issue is not really about the gold room where it is rare for there to be more than one or two players at a time. That said, no one would want me to come along uninvited and start dropping siege charges on a gold room were they are looting and I certainly don’t want anyone to do that while I’m there either, it’s a matter of etiquette, something that thanks to grenades not passing through other players is not an issue in mass looting situations, thank you Disney. There are plenty of other weapons to use in mass looting situations let’s keep things as they are and not further enable trolls.