Request Ship booting accountability

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smstachwick

Sea Legs
Smstachwick (known in-game as Roger O'Shot and Rosa O'Shot) here with a true story.

I was just on a mat run on a Medium Galleon that lasted a full 45 minutes. The captain was sailing in a straight line most of the time, only turning to engage the bounty hunters and warships every few minutes or so.

I commented on this in the Crew chat. These were my exact words:

"This is the slowest mat run I've ever been on."

Nothing else. It's not the most perfect way of addressing this problem, but I believe it's well within the terms of use for TLOPO. No cursing. No fake cursing to get around the censors. No personal insults of any kind. So what does the captain of the ship do?

He boots me back to port of call.

After I'd expended all kinds of ammo and spent a bunch of time repairing the ship, I get booted for calling out poor seamanship in a way that I believe was reasonable given the circumstances.

My request is twofold:

1.) Implement a feature that requires a pirate to state a reason for booting a pirate, aside from "because I felt like it." We have something similar already for reporting terms of use violations, so I don't believe this would be excessively challenging.

2.) Implement a feature to report another pirate for an unjustified boot. Again, I don't think this would be excessively difficult to implement in-game.
 
smstachwick said:
Smstachwick (known in-game as Roger O'Shot and Rosa O'Shot) here with a true story.

I was just on a mat run on a Medium Galleon that lasted a full 45 minutes. The captain was sailing in a straight line most of the time, only turning to engage the bounty hunters and warships every few minutes or so.

I commented on this in the Crew chat. These were my exact words:

"This is the slowest mat run I've ever been on."

Nothing else. It's not the most perfect way of addressing this problem, but I believe it's well within the terms of use for TLOPO. No cursing. No fake cursing to get around the censors. No personal insults of any kind. So what does the captain of the ship do?

He boots me back to port of call.

After I'd expended all kinds of ammo and spent a bunch of time repairing the ship, I get booted for calling out poor seamanship in a way that I believe was reasonable given the circumstances.

My request is twofold:

1.) Implement a feature that requires a pirate to state a reason for booting a pirate, aside from "because I felt like it." We have something similar already for reporting terms of use violations, so I don't believe this would be excessively challenging.

2.) Implement a feature to report another pirate for an unjustified boot. Again, I don't think this would be excessively difficult to implement in-game.
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No one wants to see any abuse here.
Are you sure it was a boot by the Capt and not a game dc? If not, then perhaps it's something to talk about, but not without the other side present and their story told. Have you reported the capt in the game process provided. If not, why not?
 
I am absolutely sure it was a boot and not a disconnect. The game told me I was being booted by the captain of the ship and sent back to the port of call. I attempted to reboard the ship by teleporting to him (I was still in his crew) , only to find myself still on dry land when the loading screen went away.

I decided not to name the other pirate in my original posting, but I have my chat message screenshotted and saved on my computer. If anyone wants details, I'd gladly post them here.

I didn't report him in-game because the game states "....if you make false reports or abuse the Report A Player system, a moderator may take action against your account."

With the report categories being:

*Foul Language
*Sharing/Requesting Personal Info
*Staff Impersonation
*Bad Name, and
*Exploiting,

I was concerned that my report would be branded false when evidence of none of these things listed was found, and that action would be taken against my account. I hope that that reason is understandable.
 
45 minutes and a bunch of ammo gone (later), I certainly feel bad that this experience happened to you.

I recall on POTCO waiting at a dinghy once, peeking every few minutes via dinghy app., to see if a certain ship’s Captain would port at a location during SVS...just so I could exchange a few words with said Captain. Hence, there too are ways of engaging pirates into conversation (if you are patient enough).

Not right what likely happened to you.
 
It shouldn't be just the captains decision it should be the entire crew. If it's a 12 men ship 6/12 should have to vote before the pirate can be kicked. My 2 cents.
 
Blane said:
It shouldn't be just the captains decision it should be the entire crew. If it's a 12 men ship 6/12 should have to vote before the pirate can be kicked. My 2 cents.
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I think there's something you're overlooking here, and that's the fact that a majority may not be active at any given time.

I think requiring approval from at least one other crewmate would be enough to make quick decisions without as much potential for abuse.
 
smstachwick said:
...I decided not to name the other pirate in my original posting, but I have my chat message screenshotted and saved on my computer. If anyone wants details, I'd gladly post them here.
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Yeah, this forums has a no flaming policy. (So a no go there, in so far as listing said pirate’s name publicly).
Blane said:
It shouldn't be just the captains decision it should be the entire crew. If it's a 12 men ship 6/12 should have to vote before the pirate can be kicked. My 2 cents.
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That would be the ideal thing but, scrabbling pirates pausing together to all agree on something? Wish players actually would team together in such a way.
 
That's what everyone wanted instead of banning individual players from boarding.
I got booted off while doing repairs once, after almost sinking and on the ship for about the same time.
Oh well.
 
Shamus The Brute said:
Yeah, this forums has a no flaming policy. (So a no go there, in so far as listing said pirate’s name publicly).

That would be the ideal thing but, scrabbling pirates pausing together to all agree on something? Wish players actually would team together in such a way.
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I doubt a vote system would work as being on a public ship isn't an instance with a open instance structure controlled by the game. You're on a private ship offering a public trip. There's more to the story and I won't give one side any more ink without full details. The Op should have reported in game. Also, although I was under the impression that the capt can't just arbitrarily boot somebody without a timing thing or some other safeguard in place to limit capt abuse.
This thread can go seriously off topic demanding all sorts of things about booting, which is still being tested and the original OP will not supply enough data to make judgements. It's very unfortunate that this happened.

True, I don't do public on my own ship or others almost never, but I read all about it. If somebody wants to start yet another thread why they don't want booting, then do so because this one will totally go off the rails.

As far as accountability of this incident, imo the other side hasn't weighed in. Pm'g me the capt's name isn't any good either.
Pm the capt's name directly to support. And perhaps the 'choices' should be looked at right away if that's all the developers allow with the newer boot function.

And even though the OP has made an accusation without naming names, then there should be other evidence to be brought forth to substantiate the situation. Has anyone else seen how the game processes the boot? Those choices for reporting aren't even helpful, how can they pertain to the newer boot system. The OP didn't even have a choice that would have helped him. Plus the time it takes to even scramble to get back on board. So that's a fail on the games part right there.
But now the OP needs to brace his case, but with the developers, not on the forums.

We can't help or make decisions on booting and one report publicly of a bad boot should not flip the ship either.

GL
 
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Freebooter/Boots said:
I personally have seen and heard of people opening their ships to public, getting a full crew, and right before porting kickes everyone off the ship..

I do agree with this request.
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There is a 5-minute inter-kick cooldown timer on booting non-AFK players. So assuming a crew of a dozen people, none of whom are AFK, it would take a total of 1 hour to boot everyone off. How does this qualify as kicking everyone "right before porting"?
 
This is a purely social issue - one that can and should be solved via social measures. Players can (and will) hold each other accountable. The names of bad captains will eventually become known, and thus it will be evident to avoid sailing with certain people. A tool was developed to assist players in moderating who is on their ships and when - it's up to the players to figure out appropriate usages of that tool.

I also believe in the "my ship, my rules" philosophy. Captain doesn't like what you're saying? To the plank you go. The captain has the final say of who is allowed to be on his/her ship. I think if you're dissatisfied with the captain's sailing style or pace that you have more than enough opportunity to terminate your participation at any time via teleporting off.

While I think a vote-kicking system would also be viable, a system of this nature also runs its fair share of risks (e.g. players teaming together to create a majority to kick someone off for no reason). There are positives and negatives to both ideologies of managing crew aboard a ship - I personally lean towards giving the captain the power, as I had previously stated.

My two cents.
 
deanaug said:
There is a 5-minute inter-kick cooldown timer on booting non-AFK players. So assuming a crew of a dozen people, none of whom are AFK, it would take a total of 1 hour to boot everyone off. How does this qualify as kicking everyone "right before porting"?
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Exactly, thus the second hand misrepresented reporting.
 
John Foulroberts said:
This is a purely social issue - one that can and should be solved via social measures. Players can (and will) hold each other accountable. The names of bad captains will eventually become known, and thus it will be evident to avoid sailing with certain people. A tool was developed to assist players in moderating who is on their ships and when - it's up to the players to figure out appropriate usages of that tool.

I also believe in the "my ship, my rules" philosophy. Captain doesn't like what you're saying? To the plank you go. The captain has the final say of who is allowed to be on his/her ship. I think if you're dissatisfied with the captain's sailing style or pace that you have more than enough opportunity to terminate your participation at any time via teleporting off.

While I think a vote-kicking system would also be viable, a system of this nature also runs its fair share of risks (e.g. players teaming together to create a majority to kick someone off for no reason). There are positives and negatives to both ideologies of managing crew aboard a ship - I personally lean towards giving the captain the power, as I had previously stated.

My two cents.
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Couldn't have stated it better myself. Glad you did because I wouldn't have had the restraint.
People have always used and perceived tools differently, always will.
 
Public ships are like public transit , You always take a chance. You could sink as well , I seen some sailing on mat runs and have sank with them , You may not like it and you may not get what ye wants but best to do your own mat runs on your own ship which then this Issue Is No longer an Issue . You're dealing with the public here ! They're not here for your pleasure !
 
It's a tough call. It's pretty lame when you've been participating in a loot run for two hours, only to be kicked off and have all your time and energy wasted.

At that point, all you can do is write the captain's name down somewhere and encourage your friends to avoid him or her.
 
How about we just remove the booting function? It is very abusable, and all attempts to fix it have undesirable side effects. Why is booting necessary?
 
John Foulroberts said:
This is a purely social issue - one that can and should be solved via social measures. Players can (and will) hold each other accountable. The names of bad captains will eventually become known, and thus it will be evident to avoid sailing with certain people. A tool was developed to assist players in moderating who is on their ships and when - it's up to the players to figure out appropriate usages of that tool.

I also believe in the "my ship, my rules" philosophy. Captain doesn't like what you're saying? To the plank you go. The captain has the final say of who is allowed to be on his/her ship. I think if you're dissatisfied with the captain's sailing style or pace that you have more than enough opportunity to terminate your participation at any time via teleporting off.

While I think a vote-kicking system would also be viable, a system of this nature also runs its fair share of risks (e.g. players teaming together to create a majority to kick someone off for no reason). There are positives and negatives to both ideologies of managing crew aboard a ship - I personally lean towards giving the captain the power, as I had previously stated.

My two cents.
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I agree that a vote system could be viable, however I don't think it would be practical for tlopo in battle usage. And abuse will happen vote wise and capt wise, but I believe the abuse will be negligible and practically a non issue. I very rarely see it used except in kid created pre-made dungeons where they were already going to control and gain all the loot and brazenly do so. I don't see tlopo even near that complexity of need.
People are saying now that there's no in game way to report capts. I don't know if that's true and addressed the question in an earlier post here.
It doesn't look like the in-game report feature has been adapted or altered for capt abuse reporting. At least last week it didn't seem so.
 
Them's the breaks of the game. I got booted because I did not see a message from the captain telling me it was my turn for repairs. It happens. Deal.
 
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