Request Ship booting accountability

[squintz]

What do you, "we should live with it"? It could easily be removed, as I think it should be.

Giving a boot option to capts is purely a playbility issue above anything beta. I'm supposed to be testing this game, giving reports which developers will look at and help them with directions the game goes and gets fixed. It's not my place to to demand change for change sake.
Thats the developers right. The boot option was about a game function that effected the entire community in game play and the issue rose above just beta testing in that it was an issue that perhaps even effected being able to test the game as a sailor. Afk'g is a negative contribution to the game and community and not like changing a boss level, or container color. AFK actually effects game play itself. As well as testing sailing.

Thus it (booting) was a higher priority that needed looking into. You shouldn't have to 'live' with afk and the developers thought so too.
They have spoken and we have to live with it. We have to live with a nerfed sparrow. We don't have to live with inconsequential game change requests that have no real benefit for the community at large, just for special interest groups.

 

[squintz]

For the record, I will say that the moderation team will by no means have any capacity to field complaints for "abusive kicking." The Terms of Service unfortunately does not stipulate that "being a jerk" is against our rules.

If you have to worry about being kicked, perhaps check your own behavior before you check theirs. Most people are decent human beings without being provoked.

You most likely will not have much to handle.

 

[squintz]

Booting abuse is a common and severe enough problem that it should be addressed. It is an awful possibility of injustice that shouldn't exist in the game. If you absolutely insist on having a booting ability, then instead of having an abusable and cumbersome manual booting ability, just either boot AFK players automatically or give the captain the option to boot AFK players automatically. If inactive players is the problem, then this would be a fairer better solution.

However, I'm in favor of having no booting system altogether. In this scenario, if captains want to open their ships to the public, which cannot be held accountable, then they are welcome to do so. But if they are so bothered by inactive, or otherwise problematic players, then they can keep their ships only to friends, crew, and guild, people whom they have chosen to associate with and who can be held accountable by means of ostracism.

Also, maybe the fact that many people board ships just to do no work and reap the rewards says something about the sailing aspect of the game—ship materials (which, I presume, is the reason why these people do what they do) are unreasonably hard to obtain—but of course, this is a tangential issue.

Booting abuse is a common and severe enough problem that it should be addressed.
Sorry I find that hard to believe and thus this is an incorrect assumption IMO. To substantiate this comment, I expect you have heaps of reports and data for this. Please post the common and severe lists for the thread.
Thank you.

"give captain the option to boot AFK players automatically" It's in game now, it's called a capt boot option and its one click. From the people I've talked to, they are actually watching and waiting before deciding to boot to give people a chance who may have technical problems or they think its a momentary issue on the pirates part. To make it auto would be unfair most all the way around.

 

[squintz]

It definitely seems that the argument you and many other people here are making is that the problem of abusive booting is not a frequent enough problem to warrant addressing. At what point would you be motivated to take action on this?

When it if ever actually exists.

 

[squintz]

I agree with other commenters that the issue of abusive kicks - while not fictitious - has been greatly, and deceptively, exaggerated.

I've been aboard dozens of public ships since the implementation of the kicking feature, and have been unjustly booted at the end of the run a grand total of once. Bear in mind, this incident was right after the feature's introduction, and weary captains were excited to exercise their newfound power. Since then, I've never experienced any abuse of this kind.

To those who are still concerned - I generally find that if you ask the captain what your responsibilities are as a crewmate, you will receive a straightforward answer. If you follow these responsibilities, the captain will have no interest in kicking you.

Will you still encounter an abusive captain every once in a while? Sure. There are jerks in any online game. But from my experience, the list will not grow so long that you'll have to strain your memory.

100% agree.
Beggar is that you? What'd you do with Beggar?

 

[squintz]

I assumed that John Foulroberts was replying to me, so never mind.

Now I'll be clear: I'm not trying to push the priority of this problem to the front of the queue of problems that the developers intend to deal with. However, I do think that there is a very easy fix to this, which I consider to be a sufficiently significant problem: they could simply remove booting altogether. This exclusively is what I have tried to discuss, but I admit I have been brought slightly off track into also discussing the importance and priority of the issue.

I'm actually quite surprised that my complaint of this feature is the first that you've seen ever since it was introduced, especially because I've seen a couple just in these few days that I've become active on the forums, but that's all rather anecdotal and irrelevant to the point here, which is that even if a problem is infrequent and is low-priority, it is still a problem nonetheless. I find it quite odd that you're downplaying abusive booting as "not a problem" in response to my arguing the issue, and I do think it's unbefitting of you to disregard this kind of injustice. The developers are welcome to create whatever their consumers demand, but I am here trying to persuade my fellow consumers on what they should demand.

Consumers? When arguing a point and suggesting a problem and a boatload of the very same people who were against the idea in the first place spend a moment to inform you that even they don't see the abuse and would gladly, justifiably try to do something about the issue if it indeed existed suggests to you that you're are seeking a solution to an issue that doesn't exist yet and may never rise to an important issue? And probably should be brought up at a later date when more events are tallied.
In the meantime, do in-game reports even if they don't seem to describe whats happening, but a player report and there will be a record then to bolster your case.
GL

 

[squintz]

I assumed that John Foulroberts was replying to me, so never mind.

Now I'll be clear: I'm not trying to push the priority of this problem to the front of the queue of problems that the developers intend to deal with. However, I do think that there is a very easy fix to this, which I consider to be a sufficiently significant problem: they could simply remove booting altogether. This exclusively is what I have tried to discuss, but I admit I have been brought slightly off track into also discussing the importance and priority of the issue.

I'm actually quite surprised that my complaint of this feature is the first that you've seen ever since it was introduced, especially because I've seen a couple just in these few days that I've become active on the forums, but that's all rather anecdotal and irrelevant to the point here, which is that even if a problem is infrequent and is low-priority, it is still a problem nonetheless. I find it quite odd that you're downplaying abusive booting as "not a problem" in response to my arguing the issue, and I do think it's unbefitting of you to disregard this kind of injustice. The developers are welcome to create whatever their consumers demand, but I am here trying to persuade my fellow consumers on what they should demand.

Is this still an issue?
"they could simply remove booting altogether. This exclusively is what I have tried to discuss, but I admit I have been brought slightly off track into also discussing the importance and priority of the issue."
So, you want to remove booting all together right now forever? But it's off topic or off track to actually discuss why booting is good or bad?
Are you still getting booted for some reason? This seems a very personal issue with you. And it's being unreasonable to demand removal of something and not want to give sound reasons for doing so.

 

[George Hamilton]

Is this still an issue?
"they could simply remove booting altogether. This exclusively is what I have tried to discuss, but I admit I have been brought slightly off track into also discussing the importance and priority of the issue."
So, you want to remove booting all together right now forever? But it's off topic or off track to actually discuss why booting is good or bad?
Are you still getting booted for some reason? This seems a very personal issue with you. And it's being unreasonable to demand removal of something and not want to give sound reasons for doing so.

After a point, I didn't bother to read the multitude of comments directed at or regarding me, so I'd stopped replying a while ago until now. To clarify my statement, I meant that there were two separate issues being discussed: 1. whether booting is a problem or not, and 2. where it lies in the queue of priorities of the developers. Additionally, I have posted multiple lengthy comments clearly explaining my position. You're wrongfully criticizing me.

 

[squintz]

After a point, I didn't bother to read the multitude of comments directed at or regarding me, so I'd stopped replying a while ago until now. To clarify my statement, I meant that there were two separate issues being discussed: 1. whether booting is a problem or not, and 2. where it lies in the queue of priorities of the developers. Additionally, I have posted multiple lengthy comments clearly explaining my position. You're wrongfully criticizing me

You probably should have. Most of the comments weren't at you. But the boot option is in game so personal opinions now are secondary.
If you like, you should start your own thread demanding booting be removed and list the reasons. I'm sure you'll have some positive responses to talk to.
I wouldn't partake however.
GL

 

[George Hamilton]

You probably should have. Most of the comments weren't at you. But the boot option is in game so personal opinions now are secondary.
If you like, you should start your own thread demanding booting be removed and list the reasons. I'm sure you'll have some positive responses to talk to.
I wouldn't partake however.
GL

No, I was mostly wasting my time and energy reading and responding to all the comments that came earlier, and I don't expect that it would've been different later. A lot of people were just misrepresenting my point like you did, and it was just getting stupid.