The Benefits of Open Source Development

Davy Gunfish said:
An open-source development would be the best for any PotCO emulator.

Why?

1. The Pirates Online community is fairly small.

Since our community is smaller than others, we have a smaller pool of people that could help with the development of an emulator. From what we have seen with current and past projects, they either did not have the right people for the job, or did not have enough of the right people. An open-source project would allow people that we did not specifically recruit to help out. That means more people helping on an individual basis. What that also means is that the project could recruit these people to more permanent positions.
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The reason we keep our source code private is to put a stop to people who would want to abuse it, or steal our work for their own. However, we make use of Astron, which is Toontown Rewritten's take on OTP, the server suite used by POTCO, Pixies, and Toontown. That is located here. Each server has AI and UD code built on top of the OTP, which is the part we really want to keep private for the reason above.

Long story short, TLOPO will never be open-sourced. Please stop calling it an emulator, aswell. TLOPO isn't aiming to emulate a game, it's aiming to be a game.
 
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Loudrob said:
The reason we keep our source code private is to put a stop to people who would want to abuse it, or steal our work for their own.
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Err.... Keeping private to prevent people from potentially helping. :confused: Someone mentioned before how odd it was that we all want to be the big hero.. in doing this, when a project dies, its done.. NO ONE gets what they worked on cause it was "theirs". Simple fact real quick... It Isn't/Ain't/never was/not going to be/ yours. Never. Disney had a team.. it is Disney's project. It is Disney's work.

Honestly, who do you think would actually care to mess with a game that USERS brought back?

Loudrob said:
Please stop calling it an emulator
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That is one of the best things said in this thread! :party:

It is most certainly NOT an emulator by any means.

Definition of Emulate:
  • Computing
    reproduce the function or action of (a different computer, software system, etc.).
The Dolphin Emulator has one job. To emulate the Gamecube and Wii... Emulate...
Ever play a NES game on a PC? N64, PS1/PS2? You are emulating the original consoles hardware..

Are we really emulating anything?

Thank you for making that point, @Loudrob :woot:
 
Rich Fireskull said:
Err.... Keeping private to prevent people from potentially helping. :confused: Someone mentioned before how odd it was that we all want to be the big hero.. in doing this, when a project dies, its done.. NO ONE gets what they worked on cause it was "theirs". Simple fact real quick... It Isn't/Ain't/never was/not going to be/ yours. Never. Disney had a team.. it is Disney's project. It is Disney's work.

Honestly, who do you think would actually care to mess with a game that USERS brought back?


That is one of the best things said in this thread! :party:

It is most certainly NOT an emulator by any means.

Definition of Emulate:
  • Computing
    reproduce the function or action of (a different computer, software system, etc.).
The Dolphin Emulator has one job. To emulate the Gamecube and Wii... Emulate...
Ever play a NES game on a PC? N64, PS1/PS2? You are emulating the original consoles hardware..

Are we really emulating anything?

Thank you for making that point, @Loudrob :woot:
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Actually, yes, it would be our work. The AI and UD code is technically our work, which is the reason we do not want to be open source since it could be stolen and claimed as one's own work. The client side work is mostly Disney's work. We have no reason to make that open source since that is already accessible anyway. Also, if we were to die we would most likely release the source code so that another project could take over.

Rich Fireskull said:
Honestly, who do you think would actually care to mess with a game that USERS brought back?
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You would be surprised how much people are trying to take down Toontown Rewritten.
 
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lol I find this thread funny
but I just wanna butt in <3
We need one big server ( like POTCO ) not a bunch of little small servers like how TTR, TTI, TTF, TTO, etc was 1-2 years ago. We need ONE major server. If there would be a bunch of small servers, no one would be able to play TOGETHER. Lol. All I have to say.
P.S. I just woke up.
 
Davy Gunfish said:
An open-source development would be the best for any PotCO emulator.

Why?

1. The Pirates Online community is fairly small.

Since our community is smaller than others, we have a smaller pool of people that could help with the development of an emulator. From what we have seen with current and past projects, they either did not have the right people for the job, or did not have enough of the right people. An open-source project would allow people that we did not specifically recruit to help out. That means more people helping on an individual basis. What that also means is that the project could recruit these people to more permanent positions.

2. An MMORPG emulator is an immense task.

This goes hand in hand with the reason above. Since it is such an immense task, we need everybody we can get to help. Our community is small, so having a setup in which more people could potentially help would be extremely beneficial.

3. Transparency.

If we want a project to succeed, we need the developers to be transparent about the development. We need to know if they are telling us the truth, or lying about the project in order to maintain their following. Every project I have seen has not been transparent. At times we did not, and may still not, know how far along they are and how much of the game they have completed. If they have completed anything at all.


Projects do not want to go open-source because they want to be the big heroes of the Pirates Online community. They want to save the day. It's selfishness at its worst, they'd rather sacrifice the future of PotCO while for a short while being the big heroes. Deep down we all know that open-source is the only way to go, look at what we have achieved behind closed doors. Extremely little. How do I know this? Because if a project did have a lot completed, they would show it off. They would show it off to the community in order to get ahead of the others, in order to get the big following.

Everyone needs to look at what we're dealing with here and realize that this is the only way to go. This is the only way that we even have a chance of creating a functioning emulator.


(Going to link back to an earlier thread of mine.)
https://piratesforums.co/threads/unity.10324/
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Let me ask you mate, would you ever go and work on an open sourced toontown? I assume here that you have never played it therefore have no interest in it. Even if you have, just put yourself in that position. Lets look at an alternate history... Say you are an expert in the Panda3D API and python, you have already been apart of a successful POTCO remake that is going strong and has planned updates and bugfixes. Toontown is left without a successful remake, yet they have decompiled the client and have started an open source project.

Would you go and develop this project? My answer would be no. Why would I put time and effort into something I have no interest in?!
 
Loudrob said:
...You would be surprised how much people are trying to take down Toontown Rewritten.
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Ever heard of Maverick, Captain, and Lefty Lemonzilla? I'm likely sure you have. Therefore, you likely understand also the gist as to why they feel that TTR should fail. (Why is it, someone might ask? :confused: It's because 'they feel' that everyone is wasting away their own time and life on a emulator which they have essentially deemed unworthy, in light of Disney's decision. Remember, all three 'completely' understand what is absolutely best and appropriate for everyone in this world). :rolleyes:

Not too long ago, I came across a pastebin.com link which puts someone highly associated with TLOPO at the scene of a crime made against TTR by the following individuals I mentioned. This individual actively stood by and "LOL" as TTR's own servers were being disrupted. So you're absolutely right; everyone would be surprised to see how many people are trying their best to take down TTR.
Bart Gunshot said:
Let me ask you mate, would you ever go and work on an open sourced toontown? I assume here that you have never played it therefore have no interest in it. Even if you have, just put yourself in that position. Lets look at an alternate history... Say you are an expert in the Panda3D API and python, you have already been apart of a successful POTCO remake that is going strong and has planned updates and bugfixes. Toontown is left without a successful remake, yet they have decompiled the client and have started an open source project.

Would you go and develop this project? My answer would be no. Why would I put time and effort into something I have no interest in?!
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This scenario is assuming that the individual viewing the other project has no intimate "connection" with the other community. If a personal connection was apparent, said individual might be willing to overlook something they otherwise wouldn't overlook for the sole reason of contributing to something which makes other people happy. Also - as I view it - the above scenario is also assuming said individual cares for nothing but him/her own self. In addition, such a scenario assumes also that said individual must ultimately come from a past Disney, virtual world/MMO game.

IDK. I'm sorry but...there are just too many "assumptions" to suggest that open-source is the work of the devil! :furious:
 
@Shamus The Brute , please stop trying to act like you know everything and know what's best for this community when you have never your self worked on a POTCO project in your life.
"But it's my opinion"
Your opinions have always made everything more dramatic than any tv show i've ever seen.

@xXWilee999Xx , you're a slow skid, and you guys will never finish tplsoixioh, or what ever you called it.
 
GangStarr said:
@Shamus The Brute , please stop trying to act like you know everything and know what's best for this community when you have never your self worked on a POTCO project in your life.
"But it's my opinion"
Your opinions have always made everything more dramatic than any tv show i've ever seen.

@xXWilee999Xx , you're a slow skid, and you guys will never finish tplsoixioh, or what ever you called it.
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cool story bro
 
GangStarr said:
@Shamus The Brute , please stop trying to act like you know everything and know what's best for this community when you have never your self worked on a POTCO project in your life.
"But it's my opinion"
Your opinions have always made everything more dramatic than any tv show i've ever seen.

@xXWilee999Xx , you're a slow skid, and you guys will never finish tplsoixioh, or what ever you called it.
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one more thing: weren't you earlier mocking those who thought that another remake wouldn't succeed? TLOPO has another remake's developers and even more, now apparently it won't succeed. ok.
 
Shamus The Brute said:
everyone is wasting away their own time and life on a emulator
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These servers aren't emulators. An emulator would be like making a "game" that requires you to connect to the server using Disney's POTCO executable. Something similar to this was made in the Toontown community but failed soon after.

Also, nobody associated with the attacks on Toontown Rewritten is close to TLOPO. I can bring up the staff list if you like.
 
GangStarr said:
@Shamus The Brute , please stop trying to act like you know everything and know what's best for this community when you have never your self worked on a POTCO project in your life.
"But it's my opinion"
Your opinions have always made everything more dramatic than any tv show i've ever seen.

@xXWilee999Xx , you're a slow skid, and you guys will never finish tplsoixioh, or what ever you called it.
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I guess we all have our opinions, but please take in to note that we have the important another remake developers on our team so I don't understand the logic of them being able to succeed instead of us.

Since TLOPO has all the talented developers of the community and some of those from the Toontown community, that must mean no POTCO project will be able to succeed, right?
 
GangStarr said:
Prime example of shamus acting like he knows what he is talking about
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In case you missed it mate, that was not Shamus you quoted. Also, Loudrob is STILL correct. As am I. I am one of the people who have been explaining what an emulator actually is.

Also, for further reference, Gangstarr is trying to get under your skin. Don't let him. Have a good day :)
 
Cleaned up a post or two on this thread. Just a general reminder to everyone (not just the people who have commented on this thread):

99% of people have been mature and constructive about all the remakes for POTCO and everything that's going on with that. To all those people, thank you.

For anyone else, please remember you are completely allowed to share your opinion as long as you're being respectful and following the forum's rules.

Anyways, lets get back to the topic.
 
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