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It's a terrible decision on the account owners side and really in no way relates to trading, I've never trusted people with any form of account info for any medium even family.
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Crashalot
LOL, I've had more than a few pirates offer to pay me to level their pirates.
Obviously this is not something I do in TLOPO, only because this game is so basic and enjoyable that if you can't level yer pirate, you need to rethink life in general.
Obviously this is not something I do in TLOPO, only because this game is so basic and enjoyable that if you can't level yer pirate, you need to rethink life in general.
Sparky Wonderwolf
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You arent wrong in your thinking. There is a great possibility of that and it is worth mentioning - a fair point. My counter to that possibility is this is implemented when the Staff have released the game in full and begin focusing on improving the game through other means. I would like to point out that people get bored by the grindy nature of this game, something the TLOPO Staff could look to change with new and better content. My preferred direction (if it were me deciding) is making the game as story rich as possible, or adding new elements to the game.For weapon trading, I guess what I don’t understand is why would people press hard for something (i.e., trading) when indirectly all it is going to do is make it easier for someone to work through the game faster/more efficiently on account of weaker weapons traded for stronger ones (because just about ‘nobody’ is going to want to utilize trading the other way [where stronger is going to be traded for weaker]).
I am not anti-trading. I am concern though about “the bigger picture” and it just seems to me that the more efficiently people are able to play the game the faster they are going to grow bored with it (generally speaking) which, in hindsight, works against TLOPO’s likely vision - I assume - which soughts to retain “player interest” as long as possible.
Am I wrong in saying this?(Clearly, I am racking my brain trying to understand this issue to where compromise is the goal but, this idea of the game becoming more efficient for everyone to work through [on account of ‘weapon’ trading] I cannot shake). Thoughts?
I personally am for it because it adds a new element to the game and while looters wail every time it is proposed, I would like to point out that some of us are willing to compromise. Some of us agree they have some genuine concerns, and that some sort of restrictions should apply. However, it seems that there are not many moderates on that side of the debate.
I disagree that trading will be implemented merely because I am not quite sure how long if the game will ever make it out of Beta unless something improves. Come full release I would gladly revise my opinion on the matter.
That's a personal problem. I could loan my account and they could change the password. Moreover, are they really your friends at that point? This scam argument is a terrible one. I do not know how else to put it. Sorry.
I would say it is a fair agreement. I have long argued in favor, but I think context matters as to why and how I favor it.
In reply to the thread in general:
I feel like this thread was meant more to be a comedic commentary than a serious debate, but I am more than happy to put my two cents in on the matter.
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Crashalot
Yes, at face value, it is intended to be humorous, but also to just help folks hash out and develop their positions, and listen to opposing ideologies, in an organic (<-gratuitous adjective placement), peaceful manner. Looking at things from many perspectives and angles helps to flesh out key details people themselves were not quite sure they had, and to accept the opinions of others, while respectfully disagreeing, concurring, etc.
It's a hot topic, and the more angles it is played in, the better the outcome.
(Added/Edit)I'm not sure many proponents of trading realize just what a sticky mess trading could be, or what the implications/ramifications of trading would really look like in-game.
Savor it!
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Beggar
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Just to interject - I don't think the issue of scamming should be swept under the rug. It's easy to imagine some thirteen year old trading his Emerald Curse for a Bejeweled Broadsword without knowing what he is doing (and then crying about it to TLOPO support afterward).
Caveat emptor, of course, but let's not act like that kind of thing wouldn't happen.
Caveat emptor, of course, but let's not act like that kind of thing wouldn't happen.
Sparky Wonderwolf
Site Founder
Taking a look at stats between the two would eliminate that entirely, something I am sure can be considered when developing trading if it ever comes to fruition.
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Crashalot
Well, I for one have been taking a back seat and reading and understanding different positions, as well as elucidating my purpose for posting the thread, as well as outlining pitfalls/issues that can easily come about with trading, in any game.
Of course, I can speak for no one else, so if the query is not related to my postings, then, yeah.
Beggar
Pirate Master
Don't underestimate the gullibility of children. Sweet-talking scammers exist in every game with trading.
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Crashalot
Exactly! Never assume anything.
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Crashalot
LOL, Scammers? I'm sure there have always been scammers!
I'm imagining most people in favor of trading already have a scam or two up their sleeves.
Now of course I must make a disclaimer for that statement, so there, I disclaim it.
Pirates gonna be pirates and people gonna be people...
deanaug
Notorious Pirate
I know, I am trying to break it down into little tiny nibbles here. I feel the train ran off the rails from peoples' fear of the trading feature, to a general fear of account "hacking" (LOVE that misnomer BTW).
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Crashalot
Yes, the "nibbles" principle is key here!
And that train to nowhere is right on time, as usual!
One of the key issues I wanted to evolve here was that not many people have envisioned an actual trading scenario in-game.
How many people have 2 WEB or Leviathans to trade anyway?
And what about all those "hackers", lol!?!
So many things to look at and think about.
And that train to nowhere is right on time, as usual!
One of the key issues I wanted to evolve here was that not many people have envisioned an actual trading scenario in-game.
How many people have 2 WEB or Leviathans to trade anyway?
And what about all those "hackers", lol!?!
So many things to look at and think about.
deanaug
Notorious Pirate
Not to mention, the idea of trading is poo-poo'ed out of hand, without discussing any design details which could make it relatively "safe".
I keep asking, because it seemed that the convo changed from a new feature to a general worry about "outsider trading". But sounds like that's really already an issue, and people are worried it will be amplified by the addition of trading?!?!?
I keep asking, because it seemed that the convo changed from a new feature to a general worry about "outsider trading". But sounds like that's really already an issue, and people are worried it will be amplified by the addition of trading?!?!?
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internetpirate
Yes, trading will do just that, not in the same context. but yes.
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Shamus The Brute
I don’t know, man.
What I meant by “action” is just you and I (on this forums) agreeing to declare we were wrong about the issue of whether or not trading would cause any adverse affect to TLOPO (or not). *If you look back carefully as to which post I had quoted of yours (which brought this all about) it was a post I had written in response to your claim that trading itself would likely NOT “ruin” players experience in playing TLOPO and if it did, whom cares. That is what had struck a nerve with me - because:
- You keep stating how trading should be given a fair chance because NOBODY can predict the outcome to TLOPO if it was implemented
- Your statement made about impact on players (post-trading) contradicts the above ^ point I stress
- People whom have questioned trading’s impact upon TLOPO are told not to “feel” this way despite the fact, still, that NOBODY can predict what will or will not happen
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internetpirate
I mean I've already made several decently sized paragraphs giving the pros and cons to both, but one of the other reasons is Real World Trading and that the only common argument is people don't have a whole day to loot.
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