Upgrade rebalancing

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-TheKnight-

Pirate Apprentice
Hello,
In this post I will show my ideas for some of the ship upgrades which I think should get buffed /nerfed and why.

Firestorm:
This is the worst upgrade, I don't see it often and I have no idea as to why someome would use it atm. Costs a lot more than Storm Chaser, and doesn't do more dmg with broadsides, nor is it faster, yeah it turns better, but compare it to Fortune Hunter and you will see how bad it is.
Ideas:
Armor 100% all the way across the 3 lvls.
Speed 110% - > 115% - > 120%
Turning 120% - > 125% - > 130%
Cargo 100% across all lvls.
Firepower: 35% firebrand - > 55% firebrand - >75% firebrand
More firepower while adding some actual progression.

Copperhead:
It is too strong. It does waaay to much dmg.
Armor same as it is now.
Speed same as it is now.
Turning should stick to 100% and not 105%.
Firepower:15% explozive->25% expplozive - > 35% explozive
The problem with it was that it didn't fire 1 or 2 explozives before, now it will, but it won't fire 5 or 6 making it one shoot a hunter or ANY ship which isn't armor bonused in SvS.
It feels as ur playing easy mode versus a Battle Royale. ( deadliest ship)

Storm Chaser:
Actually fine but the speed doesn't feel special, Fortune Hunter has 110%, The Forgotten Firestorm has 114%, so it isn't something amazing.
Armor as it is now.
Speed 120% - > 125% - > 130%
Turning as it is now.
Cargo as it is now.
Firepower as it is now.

I have looked again at the stats and practicly they will all be balanced now.
Copperhead is slow, but tankiest and has great firepower.
Skull and Crossbones is less tanky ( but still very) but more mobile while having decent dmg.
Fortune Hunter is an all rounder.
Firestorm has almost full firebrand broadside ( giving it good dmg instead of non existant!!) , is fast, and has best mobility.
Storm Chaser is the fastest, has great firepower and has decent mobility.
 
They could introduce a new type of cannon ammo and give it to firestorm so that it's unique and not overlooked, however they would need to create a cannon ammo that fits the firestorm name. Maybe have the cannon ammo shoot out fire that's different than firebrand like a flamethrower because I always thought of the firestorm upgrade to resemble a hellish ship.
 
I’m very against all of this and still hope that the Copperhead will eventually be restored, probably the issue with the Copperhead was really rooted in the explosive ammo in the first place. I want the basic stats of the original potco ships to be as they were in potco.

All that said, I am for further upgrades and customization beyond what is currently available and might support some rebalancing through that.

I have a Firestorm and do in fact see others quite often. To say that it’s a bad upgrade is just flat wrong. It is true that it has the weakest broadsides, so that is not where it’s strength resides. It’s true power comes from its maneuverability. I can’t say I like it better than Stormchasers and I did decide to convert a war sloop from firestorm to stormchaser; this was because of lack of firepower since I found that the larger ships have more what I wanted in terms of firepower in Firestorm upgrades. My Firestorm is a war brig and I feel it is most satisfactory in all respects.
 
-TheKnight- said:
Copperhead:
It is too strong. It does waaay to much dmg.
Armor same as it is now.
Speed same as it is now.
Turning should stick to 100% and not 105%.
Firepower:15% explozive->25% expplozive - > 35% explozive
The problem with it was that it didn't fire 1 or 2 explozives before, now it will, but it won't fire 5 or 6 making it one shoot a hunter or ANY ship which isn't armor bonused in SvS.
It feels as ur playing easy mode versus a Battle Royale. ( deadliest ship)
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I would like to point out that Copperhead damage was already nerfed significantly. There is now a cap of 1 explosive per broadside, and because of that, the damage output of your proposed changes would be almost the same as it currently is.

Regarding the other suggestions... I don't believe Storm Chaser needs any buffs... its high damage output (2nd only to copper, and on certain ships it's very nearly equal to copper) combined with the existing speed and turning boosts already make it one of the strongest choices if not the strongest. I'm inclined to agree about Firestorm's damage output (it'd still be 2nd to last even with a 100% firebrand chance), but I don't own one yet so I'll reserve that thought.
 
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Will Callecutter said:
I would like to point out that Copperhead damage was already nerfed significantly. There is now a cap of 1 explosive per broadside, and because of that, the damage output of your proposed changes would be almost the same as it currently is.

Regarding the other suggestions... I don't believe Storm Chaser needs any buffs... its high damage output (2nd only to copper, and on certain ships it's very nearly equal to copper) combined with the existing speed and turning boosts already make it one of the strongest choices if not the strongest. I'm inclined to agree about Firestorm's damage output (it'd still be 2nd to last even with a 100% firebrand chance), but I don't own one yet so I'll reserve that thought.
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I had no idea it was capped at 1 explozive per broadside. I remember mine firing 2 or 3 yersterday. :/
 
Eric Sailcutter said:
I’m very against all of this and still hope that the Copperhead will eventually be restored, probably the issue with the Copperhead was really rooted in the explosive ammo in the first place. I want the basic stats of the original potco ships to be as they were in potco.

All that said, I am for further upgrades and customization beyond what is currently available and might support some rebalancing through that.

I have a Firestorm and do in fact see others quite often. To say that it’s a bad upgrade is just flat wrong. It is true that it has the weakest broadsides, so that is not where it’s strength resides. It’s true power comes from its maneuverability. I can’t say I like it better than Stormchasers and I did decide to convert a war sloop from firestorm to stormchaser; this was because of lack of firepower since I found that the larger ships have more what I wanted in terms of firepower in Firestorm upgrades. My Firestorm is a war brig and I feel it is most satisfactory in all respects.
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Here's the problem: you are probably thinking about firestorm independtly of other upgrades.
Is it nice to have 114% speed 120% turning? Yeah, its much better than 100%! But is it better than something like Fortune Hunter? Which has 40% more armor, 80% more cargo and it only has 10% less turning, 4% less speed and a negligible broadside difference.
Fortune Hunter is obviously better.
Than compare it to skull and crossbones, you will see a very similar problem. Or even better to Storm Chaser. It has the 2nd worst firepower of all upgrades, it isn't the fastest, nor the tankiest, but it is the most mobile by just 10% turning. ( that's not enough)
 
I honestly just think that firebrand should have a buff. i think it might be bugged right now so that it doesnt burn ships but i cant remember. other than that, i dont think firebrand has any purpose other than dealing less damage than round shot. correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure that you're actually decreasing the amount of damage your broadsides can do by upgrading to firestorm vs if you just kept your ship un-upgraded.
 
-TheKnight- said:
Here's the problem: you are probably thinking about firestorm independtly of other upgrades.
Is it nice to have 114% speed 120% turning? Yeah, its much better than 100%! But is it better than something like Fortune Hunter? Which has 40% more armor, 80% more cargo and it only has 10% less turning, 4% less speed and a negligible broadside difference.
Fortune Hunter is obviously better.
Than compare it to skull and crossbones, you will see a very similar problem. Or even better to Storm Chaser. It has the 2nd worst firepower of all upgrades, it isn't the fastest, nor the tankiest, but it is the most mobile by just 10% turning. ( that's not enough)
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No, I believe the Firestorm is far superior to the Fortune Hunter for my purposes, the Fortune Hunter is also a great upgrade but is not one I have and is not near as fun to sail as the Firestorm, it does have a huge caro hold which I have no use for and it has more armor but I can easily compensate for that and the firepower with the Cajun Ram is far less, the speed and maneuverability is far better on the Firestorm too. I really LOVE ALL THE UPGRADES except the nerfed Copperhead :( Put it back the way it should be, as it was in potco.
 
Roger-Daniel said:
I honestly just think that firebrand should have a buff. i think it might be bugged right now so that it doesnt burn ships but i cant remember. other than that, i dont think firebrand has any purpose other than dealing less damage than round shot. correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure that you're actually decreasing the amount of damage your broadsides can do by upgrading to firestorm vs if you just kept your ship un-upgraded.
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I do wonder if Firebrand works correctly, I feel it probably doesn't. It should have dot that slowly burns the ship but I never notice this effect, no ships that I didn't quite get seem to then sink after a few seconds the way they should.
 
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