In some cases I may prefer to fly solo with no gunners. It affects rep, big time, and believe it or not, loot (see my previous replies). I don't mind gunners on my ship, but if I'm leveling my sailing or cannon, it's usually me on the ship, and at most, one other person
Your shots still carry through other pirates ships.
You mean the post where you said attacking hunters and warships isn't giving you loot? I think that's probably a glitch instead of being caused by another player.
I would believe it were a glitch if it happened when they weren't being attacked by another player, but it only occurs to me, when another player engages my hunter/warship. Maybe it's a bug, but I really doubt it...
Yes, reality! Where this stuff doesn't matter. This is a very casual MMORPG. Losing a few points of rep isn't something that matters.
It doesn't and it isn't. It is not immoral for me to play the game. It is not immoral to sink a ship that I have every right to sink. As the first one to attack it, you still don't have any rights to being the only one allowed to shoot that ship.
What consequences? lol
Though this may not be the case for you, it does not mean, that this is true for everyone. To some people the extra 40 rep they're losing, per ship, is a big deal, because that is a good bit of rep. When [most] people can only play the game for 3 hours at a time, at best, and sailing is as unstable as it is, 40 rep, is a big loss per ship. Just because your play style is different than everyone else's, doesn't mean everyone else is wrong. You have to look at this from both sides, not just your own.
You misunderstand. I'm not saying that the 40 rep is unimportant in terms of the game. I'm saying that the 40 rep is unimportant in the grand scheme.
40 rep?? I get more than that from just one single broadside.
Exactly, and that's about what the other player is losing, when you stalk their kills, which is the point I was trying to make
I just think this is way too small of an issue to even be a debate. It's a super causal mmo. This isn't WoW. We're all here to have fun. Just let people play the game the way they want.
^ one of the points I made in my earlier post too ^
Um........ I have never found this to be a problem. If someone ever shoots a ship I have damaged I don't care at all. I never pay attention to it. In fact sometimes I'm glad and think "Oh another ship maybe we can help eachother." I have never found this to be a problem so.... I don't know what you are trying to argue here..
That argument is a double edged sword. By sailing up and mooching peoples kill, you aren't letting others play the game the way they want. Because if I want to play the game that way, and you come in and take the rep, you aren't letting me play the game the way I want. I hate the argument, "Let people play the game the way they want" because the people who use it neglect to apply it to themselves. I'm not saying that "you must all cease and desist attacking other players ships, for it is blah, blah, blah". What I am asking, is that the next time you go to attack a ship engaged by another pirate, who seems to have it under control, remember your "Just let people play the game the way they want" advice. I only quoted your reply because it was the most recent one I read, and do not at all mean this as a personal attack. I just ask anyone who uses that argument, to apply it to themselves as well.
Which I have already done and I have no problem with someone attacking a ship I was fighting. If this changes in the future I'll let you guys know.
That's fine if you don't mind other players tagging along for the ride. But again, not everyone who plays the game, plays it that way. There are some, obviously by looking at this thread, who would rather be left alone. Again, I won't sail around attacking other people's ships, because that's not the way I play the game. If you're gonna use the argument "let people play the game the way they want" then make sure to let others (like myself, and others like me, who don't like being followed, and having the ships we've engaged sunk by someone else) to do the same.
Can somebody from dev's please respond if the first pirate fighting the ship when a second pirate comes and opens fire and together they sink the ship ACTUALLY loses any rep, loot or ANYTHING at all while receiving what would be the full compliment of loot? Does both parties receive the same loot and rep as if they were alone? This is important if nothing is lost at all to the first pirate, then this issue is just a morality issue. One point being, I didn't know this and haven't read all the manifest about tlopo and honestly thought I was helping out when I saw pirates fighting. It didn't enter my mind about the OP's point of view.
I have run several tests on my own, with a friend. Loot is still hardbto gauge because it's still pretty much bad all around, but rep is definitely reduced. Around level 17 sailing we started running these tests, on EITC Ogres. If I engaged, battled, and defeated the ship on my own, without any outside interference, I received approximately 138 rep, give or take. Then we proceeded to have him fire one broadside in the ship before it sank, and it reduced me to about 115 rep a ship. When he engaged, and actually battled the ships I did, I got around 90-95 rep. I know, I'm not a dev, but I have extensively put this to the test. Again, loot is still really bad so, it's hard to tell if it's affected, but I can say with certainty, that rep is, simply due to the fact, that rep is totaled by the number of hits. If someone comes along, fights the ship, and helps sink it, naturally you get less hits, and less rep.
I don't know. Is rep really tallied by each hit? I appreciate the response, but it would be nice to get an authority on this as well.